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So I've been w/ this tribe for a bit, and the only posts that get renewed are the redundant Burner vs. Mutant argument.
With rare exception, the posts are all about how BurningTurd has Vomit/Feces/police/environmental degradation. While I am a burner, and I can't deny that much of that vomit, feces, police, environmental damage occurs... I have to admit ignorance of the other side.
What is a mutant?
If you can only define yourselves through what you are NOT, then I'm curious how Mutants are all that different from what everybody else isn't... or is.
Who are you freaks?
With rare exception, the posts are all about how BurningTurd has Vomit/Feces/police/environmental degradation. While I am a burner, and I can't deny that much of that vomit, feces, police, environmental damage occurs... I have to admit ignorance of the other side.
What is a mutant?
If you can only define yourselves through what you are NOT, then I'm curious how Mutants are all that different from what everybody else isn't... or is.
Who are you freaks?
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Re: Mutants... what are you?
Tue, October 11, 2005 - 11:53 PM"This is an annual free non-commercial gathering for the healthy evolution of life and culture, encouraging individual and group autonomy, celebrating independent art and culture, experiencing diy technologies and encouraging a harmonious relationship with the earth"
eastlewiscountychamber.com/mutant.htm
(heh.)
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What is a mutant?
Wed, October 12, 2005 - 5:50 PMGood question, nikO. I've got plenty of free time. Allow me to force my lengthy opinions on you.
What is a mutant?
In this context you could define a mutant as "an enthusiast/participant in the AMF" in the same way a BM enthusiast is labelled a "burner". But something tells me most self-identified mutants would cringe at such an accessible label. Sooo...
Well, the term "mutant" implies something that is randomly, inherently different from what is considered "normal". However, biologically we are all mutants.
My impression is that the term is used here to imply cultural mutation; that is, the random variety of different choices people make when they accept the responsibility for making their own decisions; This can be applied across the cultural spectrum, from how we interact/organize with each other and ourselves, to the choices we make in clothing, diet, and music.
Generalizations sort of defeat the purpose of what I'm trying to get at (the essence of AMF), but it's a nearly unavoidable linguistic tool: A mutant is generally an artist in the sense that any form of expression is art, and opposed philosophically to the pervading corporate monoculture.
We traditionally categorize and separate functions in Western society. He's not an artist, he's a plumber. She's not a philosopher, she's a mother. That sort of thing. In Bali they have a saying: "We Balinese have no art. We do EVERYTHING as well as we can."
But what makes that different from a burner? Is there a difference? I know several people who are comfortable at both festivals, and who fully embrace themselves as artists in every facet of their lives.
In the "real world", culture is generally only paid attention to if it can be reproduced identically for a mass audience, and given a numerical value. If something is utterly unique, if it is not for sale, it must at least have entertainment value to the masses, or the outlets for culture will ignore it completely.
So, embracing random cultural mutations (art) on the basis of their intrisic uniqueness, whether they are "popular" enough to reproduce for mass consumption; this is a hallmark of AMF, and initially was true of Burning Man.
I would say that Burning Man has had ample time to examine itself, and is itself a commodity with mass market value. It has stated principles which at its core is not much different from AMF, but as it has become more attractive to the masses, has first accepted, then required mass consumption on the part of its attendees.
Meanwhile, AMF has certainly learned a lot about what NOT to do from BM; hence the increased focus on environmentalism, the almost rabid rejection of consumer culture, and a much more hands-off approach to teaching participants what to get out of the festival. Burning Man sends out pamphlets to help ticket-buyers figure out how to have fun.
At AMF there is no founder-deity, no leader. People are assumed to already know how to enjoy themselves and nature. Perhaps that's a premature assumption.
Mutants are still (for the most part) more focused on doing artistic and community-changing projects year-round. They then MAY bring it to the festival. Burners tend to spend much more energy preparing a project specifically for their festival.
My point here is that AMF has partly come to define itself as "what Burning Man once was or could have been". So, nikO, you're partly correct there.
I've noticed a lot of soul-searching on this tribe lately, and in the months leading up to this year's AMF. Tempers have flared, and people are bickering about the direction AMF should go in. I get the impression that AMF is becoming self-aware. It has become big enough to attract bad press, and the word is getting out about AMF.
It won't be long before the organizers will have to think about increasing crowds, people there to party, bereft of the spiritual goals and higher ideals they themselves have. With that comes increased costs: more food to feed everyone, more time and effort cleaning up shit-splattered T.P. and beer cans. Oh, yeah, and the cost of getting busted. The bigger AMF gets, the more narcs it will attract. Will it splinter off into smaller, more sustainable regional festivals? Will it, god, forbid, get permits or find some private land? Will it disappear entirely? Who knows?
I know it seems I've drifted off topic, but this I think is central to what you're trying to get at, nikO. Mutants are struggling to AVOID rigid definition, to being placed in a category that allows others to see them as members of a group, rather than individuals with their own intrinsic value. Burners have embraced being burners. It has a cohesive, tribal community identity, independent of geography or other affiliations(although having the $ for a ticket is part of it, rather like tithing). But it also is a much more fixed identity than anything AMF could provide even if it wanted to.
When someone identifies as a "mutant", they are probably not trying to tell you they like to party with trippy art in the woods. They are telling you something about their worldview, that they embrace the unique, that they at least see THEMSELVES as incompatible with mainstream society.
But when someone tells me they are a burner, I'm pretty safe in assuming they mean "I like to party with trippy art in the desert." This is partly because it is a mass-marketed identity. "Burner" doesn't tell me anything about you or your worldview. It's like being a Raiders fan. It is a brand name affiliation.
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Re: What is a mutant?
Thu, October 13, 2005 - 12:29 PMWell stated Professor...
mutant = art = process = living
creatures of creation, indefinable and free....
[paradox accepted]
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Re: What is a mutant?
Fri, October 14, 2005 - 10:28 AMU can have anything U just cant want it .
U can B anything just don't flaunt it .
beer is water to so R U we all R
even if we are not can ables
know 1and know this is not IT.
burner <mutant don't meen shit
learn to swim in the shit soup protazoa
develop and change rearrange your brain frame
"upgrade your grey matter cuz one day it may matter"
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Re: What is a mutant?
Fri, October 21, 2005 - 4:32 PMDan, you got it down to a T.
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Re: What is a mutant?
Sat, October 22, 2005 - 9:34 PMThe explanation was pretty accurate. Most folks don't know who the founders and organizers are but they are still present, and they do still attempt to serve as guides and educators. There is actually a fair amount of information disseminated about how to conduct onesself in a manner that is least biologically impactful, and encouragement to do so. While police pass through, responsibility for onesself and those around you, combined with discretion are the things that tend to minimize their presence, and they are not encouraged to come. Funnily enough, factors like the welcome presence of peoples' four legged companions help keep the police dogs away.
AMF has traditionally not been encouraged to be seen as so much of a fashion statement, but instead as a chance to interact with other creative beings and exchange performances, information and ideas.
I suppose, if pressed, I would have to say that the most significant factor "defining" a Mutant, as opposed to a burner is that Mutants actually live the lifestyle they display at AMF, whereas burners typically do not. Burners, for the most part simply buy their costumes, and work on whatever their little camp theme is going to be on the occasional weekend, and rent RVs. The buses and similar vehicles you see at AMF are not just some art pieces that get stuck in warehouses for the rest of the year. They are usually functioning mechanical beasts of burden to help further their users causes and missions far beyond and above their presence at AMF. The the creative aspects in outfits worn at AMF are usually assembled by their wearers personally, and again are usually just daily attire.
The circuses and sound systems found at AMF don't usually start and stop with AMF; they're going all year, or least when the seasons and location permit.
Hope this helps.
Mutant for life, and living it. -
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Re: What is a mutant?
Sat, October 22, 2005 - 11:35 PMi love how you put 45,000 people into one category. -
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Re: What is a mutant?
Sun, October 23, 2005 - 3:04 PMTouche, though I would submit that the 45,000 people actually shelled out hundreds of dollars to put themselves in that category. And we are speaking about generalizations, are we not? Of course there is an exception, probably several, to every point made during this discussion. We were trying to loosely define two groups of people who (with a lot of overlap between them) in many ways are hard to describe accurately. Perhaps it's folly to even attempt, but it's too late now. We done done it.
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Re: What is a mutant?
Mon, October 24, 2005 - 9:47 AMWell...let's see...every one of those 45,000 people are all in one place at one time by their own volition...yeah, I think that just about puts them all in a similar position. You know precious little about the realities of any of this yet, and you think to come off as some expert, or "qualified" critic with what you try to pass off as a witty sarcastic remark? You've been to one of each, starting with this year. Why don't you just sit back and learn a bit more? Exceptions? So are you exceptional? You sound it. -
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Re: What is a mutant?
Mon, October 24, 2005 - 12:22 PMis there an ignore button on this thing?
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Re: What is a mutant?
Tue, October 25, 2005 - 12:08 AMThe above comment was directed at the rotund redheaded stepchild who can't seem to keep it shut between mouthfuls. -
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Re: What is a mutant?
Tue, October 25, 2005 - 2:10 AMi'm just curious to see how long you're going to keep this up. i won't stop if you don't. ok, now my turn. why do you hate yourself so much? did your sister molest you as a child? we understand your pain. we're here to help. -
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Re: What is a waste of time?
Tue, October 25, 2005 - 2:04 PMHmm... I think I've seen this thread before somewhere. Perhaps we've discussed the issue at hand so well and so fully that there is nothing else to post but insults. Good work, everybody! Round of applause! OK, thread complete. -
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Re: What is a waste of time?
Tue, October 25, 2005 - 10:37 PMWhat's Burning Man?
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Re: What is a mutant?
Tue, November 1, 2005 - 11:50 AMNo, my pain has nothing to do with my childhood. It is my anger and frustration with gluttonous fucks that take far more than they need, and indulge personal whim knowingly and gleefully at the expense of the environment that is supposed to be home to all forms of life here, not just humans. I am pained by understanding far more of the potential of humanity at this juncture than it lives up to, and some of the reasons why, combined with the lack of real effort on most folks' part to change this.
You're not here to help, you're here to talk shit. Don't lie. Lying is bad, especially when it's a lie that is put forth as a joking kindness. You want to be kind and helpful? Try using your mouth less. Let less into it, and less out of it. You'll see an improvement in the world around you, as well as in yourself. As for your pains...they're yours to work out and I can't help you or take them away, so I'm not even going to try. That's just reality. No "clever" sarcasm, no passive aggressive attempts sympathy, no pseudo-intellectual discourses on quantum mechanics, or other silliness, and certainly nothing about having to accept all kinds of individuals regardless of behavior. Just swallow a little bit of your own ego, and let this whole thing go. Then...move along to bigger and better things than yourself.
Now back to the Mutant thing: There seems to have somewhere along the way been some sort notion inferred that all are to be tolerated and accepted by other Mutants if they call themselves Mutant, and I think that that's bullshit. It's some neo-hippy new-age farsical shit that kind of thrown into the mix and people sort of went along with it because noone was willing to take responsibility for saying "I/We find your chosen behavior unacceptable and distasteful. Please leave my/our presence immediately, or I/we will take measures to ensure this that may be unpleasant to your person." Most of the real Mutants I know don't call themselves Mutants, they just do what they do and they are real about it. They live it every day, and they don't have to strive for acceptance, even acceptance from the outcasts of society. They're usually extremely creative and they don't create because they want to. They do it because they have to.
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