mutantfest in new orleans?

topic posted Mon, May 15, 2006 - 7:20 PM by  Autumn
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Hey, i was just on the mutantfest.org and it says on the front page that the festival will be in an undisclosed part of the ninth ward in New Orleans!
What the fuck?
That would not be mutant fest in that would be toxic decay camp!
No fucking way!
i don't know who decided this but if they want a festival in new orleans they should start thier own new festival and not call it mutant fest.

I thought there was a lot of discussion about it being in oregon or norhtern cali.
Whoever wants it in new orleans call it something else and have fun, as for the west coast mutants.. unite and stay west coast.
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    Re: mutantfest in new orleans?

    Wed, May 17, 2006 - 7:36 PM
    ehh.. don't be so picky... and why not have two festivals called mutant fest... matter of fact.. there have already been several mutantfest's since the last one... I was at one of them last winter in a desert wastland outside of LA.

    Not to mention that there is going to be a massive cross country bike ride from the Bay Area to AMF in the 9th ward!!!

    hail satan

    -k
    • Re: mutantfest in new orleans?

      Thu, May 18, 2006 - 12:06 PM
      Right. I'm in favor of it splitting and diversifying with local flavor, like any good micro (or macro-) organism. It serves a purpose, and people need Mutant Fest even if they can't afford to drive 2000 miles for it. I also rather like the idea of local affinity groups taking the initiative to replicate the concept and adapt it their unique situation. I'm thinking along the lines of Food Not Bombs.

      Another thing to consider: when the same people do the same thing every year, people come to depend on it. It becomes a source of stability, and ceases to be a movement. Institutions (like, say, Burning Man) take on the added burden of self-perpetuation, rather than throwing their full energy into the moment.

      And to discourage people from taking the initiative to organize regional AMFs is, I think, self-defeating in the long term. These are the people who keep the community alive, the people who are willing to do the scouting, the phone and web work, the cooking and the crazy art projects. you want to encourage them to go ahead and do that crazy shit and do it in their hometown if they can. Otherwise they become passive and give up, because someone else has everything under control. They can just go munch mushrooms somewhere and have someone else entertain them.

      I see a bunch of regional AMFs that rev up the local freak/art scenes, and then probably these different tribes can collaborate on bigger events and bigger projects.
      • Re: mutantfest in new orleans?

        Fri, August 4, 2006 - 3:16 PM
        "Right. I'm in favor of it splitting and diversifying with local flavor, like any good micro (or macro-) organism. It serves a purpose, and people need Mutant Fest even if they can't afford to drive 2000 miles for it. I also rather like the idea of local affinity groups taking the initiative to replicate the concept and adapt it their unique situation. I'm thinking along the lines of Food Not Bombs. "

        I'm in favor of an Autonomous Mutant Festival that takes place 26 miles off the coast of the United States, in international waters, on a giant floating island. Hell, each sound system can have its ship or island -- that way it will be as decentralized as the current festival -- and we can build littel bridges between them. People will have to come in their own boats or organize taxi boats that go back and forth occasionally.... We can fly non-US flags and make this the greatest pirate party afloat in the seven seas....

        I would like to see this happen sometime between now and the year 2012.
  • Re: mutantfest in new orleans?

    Thu, May 18, 2006 - 1:44 PM
    So? what location was decided at the meeting?
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      Re: mutantfest in new orleans?

      Sat, May 20, 2006 - 8:05 PM
      I didn't make it, it was actually in SF I think, you can sign up for the email list on the website and get updates about it. it seemed like there still isnt a set location but some teams are going scouting or something
      • Re: mutantfest in new orleans?

        Sat, May 27, 2006 - 8:53 AM
        Lets have it the same week as Burning Turd !
        • smoke n vaporz

          Mon, May 29, 2006 - 9:53 AM
          mutant fest in the city yeah for about one hour before it would be shut down one of the reasons it even works is the ability to claim that everyone is just camping in the lovely national forest a trick learned by the sparkle pony rainbow fam no matter it works but that makesit so it is eather the woods or the woods and fuck yeah more festivals everywhere but think about it do you want to throw a party on the same time as another one and be all butt sore when your friends went there allready mutantfest falls at the same time as shambala oh well farewell ink blot pen spot fight the woeBots and rock the spot drop drop drpo N.
          • Re: smoke n vaporz

            Mon, May 29, 2006 - 2:21 PM
            At this point, we have concrete plans to scout locations around the South of Oregon, near Eugene. It's the approximate location of all the best MutantFests past, and centrally located between the Bay and Portland, which are the cities where maybe 70% of AMF attendees hail from.

            It's just the sensible thing to do, folks. We'll let you know what we find out there.

            5000. - N.
            • Re: smoke n vaporz

              Tue, May 30, 2006 - 6:17 PM
              just wanted to see how long our name can monopolize this thread how is noah ru in p town?
              • Re: smoke n vaporz

                Tue, May 30, 2006 - 6:49 PM
                I M.

                We need to get that Noah Hathaway up in here.
                • Re: smoke n vaporz

                  Sat, June 3, 2006 - 8:34 PM
                  I have done lots of research and have discovered Burningman to be guilty of classism....There is no way I could afford a comfortable experience in the middle of the desert, in my tent, the place is pretty much set up for the yuppie R.V. crowd that you see at the larger music festivals. I work as a Direct Care Counselor and make 11 bucks an hour.... I have finally come to terms with the fact that I cannot afford this, unless I hit the lottery or somebody gives me the money. .... Some of you folks really hate on that scene though is this level of anger really warranted? I'm from the east Coast and know nothing but have lots of connections on the west Coast,
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.

                    Re: smoke n vaporz

                    Sat, June 3, 2006 - 11:04 PM
                    I don't give a shit about Burning Man. I would perform there if they paid me to. Other than that, it sounds to me like the world's most expensive, dangerous, and uncomfortable rave.
                    • Burning Man = Paganism for capitalists

                      Sat, June 3, 2006 - 11:28 PM
                      I second that. It's a big party, and it's fun if you can get in for free, but it's a damn desert. You're not supposed to camp in the desert. You're supposed to cross it.

                      I snuck in the only time I ever went. The defining experience came one morning at dawn when I went to use one of the dozens of porta-potties lined up. I found several dozen glowsticks on the porta-pottie floor, glowing an unnatural green. The glow was obscured by a pile of vomit.
                      So yeah. Vomit-covered glow sticks. That's Burning Man in a nutshell. And some people payed for it.
                    • Re: smoke n vaporz

                      Sun, June 4, 2006 - 9:33 PM
                      stop it right there... I shouldn't have to say it
                      • conspicuous consumption for rebels

                        Sun, June 4, 2006 - 10:35 PM
                        Just callin' it like we see it. BM is important in its own way and has had a huge impact on democratizing the art world. And for what it is, it's a pretty fabulous party. But there are legitimate criticisms to be made, which have been discussed at length in this tribe.

                        And then there's harmless shit-talking, which I think was what we were doing.
                        • Re: conspicuous consumption for rebels

                          Mon, June 5, 2006 - 4:38 PM
                          Burning Man has had a huge impact on democritizing the art world? I don't see it.
                          • Re: conspicuous consumption for rebels

                            Tue, June 6, 2006 - 9:32 AM
                            Mmm, I think it has raised an awareness that art does not have to be such a specialized activity, e.g., purely the realm of professional artists. True, it's become stratified in its own way, but at its best I think it's encouraged creative people who otherwise would not put the effort forward to create. And in a small percentage of the attendees, they take that 'no audience' thing to heart and incorporate artistic expression into their everyday world. 'We Balinese have no art, we do everything as well as we can' goes the old saying. For some people, BM may give them license to be a bit less restricitve in their workaday world. Even if the result is just finding creative ways to consume resources.

                            I know that when I don't have a band, I'm less inclined to write music, because there is no venue for it. 'Nobody will hear these songs but me,' I think, and unless a song grabs me by the lips and writes itself through me, I might not make the effort. Same reason I'm more likely to write in a blog than in a diary. By the same token, a would-be sculptor or industrial artist may not go through the considerable effort if the only place to showcase it is an exclusive gallery that requires an agent, an art degree, connections, money, and so forth. But anyone can display their art at BM, if they put the effort in and pay the fee. This acts as a catalyst for other would-be artists. And the notoriety BM has garnered has possibly opened doors in other venues for different kinds of art in otherwise exclusive venues.

                            It's certainly not the only art festival out there, but it's the brand name for egalitarian art. In the same way that when someone wants a soda they ask for a Coke. Whether or not it's what they really want. BM is a case of the right business model at the right time & place. It's certainly not counterculture in any way. It just makes hedonism accessible.

                            I'm not trying to gush about it, but I do feel it has, if not caused, at least been at the forefront of reflecting changing attitudes about art. I would say that has more to do with instant global communication breaking down the specialization of functions that literacy engendered for hundreds of years. But who cares about that when you can run around in a fur suit with a squirtgun full of liquid ecstasy?
                            • Re: conspicuous consumption for rebels

                              Tue, June 6, 2006 - 2:20 PM
                              Fair enough. I suppose I'm always skeptical about the "artist living in all mundanes if they would only dig deep and freak out" theory; but if Burning Man is helping that to actually happen for some people, then it's definitely worthwhile. But that doesn't mean I would enjoy being stuck in the middle of their big coming out party.
                              • Re: conspicuous consumption for rebels

                                Wed, June 7, 2006 - 7:40 AM
                                Well, art being a reflection of one's inner self yadda yadda, there are those who ought to keep their inner selves concealed. Not everyone has beautiful psychic entrails. And the artistic metamorphosis is an ugly process, best kept in spiral-bound notebooks and feverish late-night weeping/masturbation sessions.

                                And it's true, I didn't get a whole lot out of BM. But that's because I went through all that 'radical transformative festival' shit putting on my own events in the 90s. For Joe Sixpack, I could see how it could rock their world.
                                • Re: conspicuous consumption for rebels

                                  Thu, June 8, 2006 - 8:37 PM
                                  Not unlike, for instance, professional football.
                                  • Re: conspicuous consumption for rebels

                                    Fri, June 9, 2006 - 6:08 PM
                                    yeah, but how many people take PCB and get handjobs at the Super Bowl?
                                    • Re: conspicuous consumption for rebels

                                      Mon, June 12, 2006 - 4:21 AM
                                      Some of us are scouting out good places in the MT Shasta areas in late June.
                                      • Re: conspicuous consumption for rebels

                                        Mon, June 12, 2006 - 2:52 PM
                                        My recollection is that the last time we did Mt Shasta, it turned out to be really incredibly dusty sort of tree farm, and the rangers knocked down a bunch of beautiful things that we built, and we were only allowed to smoke inside our tents and cars, and there was no fire allowed.

                                        Llewyn and myself have been researching some locations in the neighborhood of Eugene, which seems like a nice halfway point between Portland and the Bay Area, and where we've never gotten any serious shit from law enforcement, and the forest is a for-real natural forest that's been growing there for thousands of years, and we can find a spot near water with quarries and other nice perks.

                                        I mean, I don't really care which state we're in, but that place at the base of Mt. Shasta where we did AMF two years ago was bloody awful.
                                        • Re: conspicuous consumption for rebels

                                          Mon, June 12, 2006 - 4:54 PM
                                          That was my first impression (re: Shasta site) arriving late in the dark and having nothing but ash to sleep on... but the next day I found a nice spot by the creek, built a wood fort and it was so incrediby lovely at night with the full moon casting tree-pillar shadows in the open forest betwixt blue luminescent moonshine... Ah... twas quite lovely. One of my favorites... Seems each site has something special to offer, like the magickal glowing mycelium bark last year... My least favorite was Klamath Falls... Absolutely wretched and miserable... (though due to the dry unhospitable terrain, I found quite a few bone treasures...) That was one year I was quite thankful for the rangers who brought water everyday. Under normal circumstances I'd have had plenty...
  • Re: mutantfest in new orleans?

    Mon, June 12, 2006 - 6:24 PM
    I agree that I should be near eugene,

    Mt. shasta was way too dusty and we would love to play with da fire..
    • Re: mutantfest in new orleans?

      Thu, June 15, 2006 - 7:48 AM
      I still cough up dust chunks from the Shasta event, in fact, I've collected a nice little dirt pile and plan on growing something in it ! The volcanic ash is wonderful stuff though ! Southern Oregon sounds good to me, perhaps around Ashland?

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      • Re: mutantfest in new orleans?

        Fri, June 16, 2006 - 10:31 PM
        yes that part of MT Shasta was awful. I don't know how it could have been picked over all of the lush and fantastic places there.

        We are going with a crew after july 4th to check out alternate spots around that area.
        • Re: mutantfest in new orleans?

          Fri, June 16, 2006 - 10:34 PM
          but yeah, everyone check out other places too. Areas around Eugene seem pretty good as it is tru that they are like a halfway point. A lot of us Bay Area Katz would miss it if it was deep in Washington sadly
          • Re: mutantfest in new orleans?

            Mon, June 19, 2006 - 8:18 AM
            I liked the Washington spot last year, the fishing was excellent !
            • Fire at MutantFest

              Wed, June 21, 2006 - 4:40 PM
              The weather is what affects if there is fire allowed or not. If it is too dry, there will be a burn ban. We put out a fire at the 2000 event outside Eugene that could have killed everyone at the festival, started by some asshole being careless with their cigarrettes. Luckily it was near a creek, and the rangers didn't notice.

              My understanding was that it had been moved out of that area, because it was to easy to get to, and attracted a lot of tourists and moochers who came out and trashed and stole everything and then left a huge mess. It also attracted a lot of police attention.

              I also think its really lame to restrict the festival to a certain region. People come from all over the country to attend this festival. Why shouldn't places outside the pacific northwest be considered? I think its shitty west coast snobbery, just like at BurninMan.

              Also, its AUTONOMOUS!!

              That means you don't tell people what to do, or that they can't call their festival whatever the fuck they want.

              I hate the bullshit attitude that people from the east and west coast have about anything not on the east or west coast. As far as most coastal people are concerned the other 2/3's of the country is full of rednecks and racists and hillbilly cops who want to arrest everyone. California and Oregon are the most redneck places I've ever been, if you ever bother to leave the bay or portland.

              Sorry, ranted a little bit. But there are plenty of good places outside of the Norhtwest to have AMF type festivals. Places that would welcome the money we spend in local stores, and cops who have never seen anything remotely like BM, AMF, or Rainbow, and would not be that inclined to react violently towards it.
              • Re: Fire at MutantFest

                Tue, June 27, 2006 - 6:33 PM
                About the festival being in the pacific north west...

                Basically almost all of the people who set up the festival, bring sound systems, plan performances, go to the festival etc... are all located in the Pacific North West. It would be an extreme life force drain on these people to haul the festival elswhere and I doubt that it will ever happen because of financial and personal reasons of most people involved.

                Also the Pacific North West is where all the sexiest forests are
                • Re: Fire at MutantFest

                  Tue, June 27, 2006 - 11:14 PM
                  True all, and good points. We are lucky on the West Coast to be so close to these temperate rainforests. A mutant fest in some other clime would have to incorporate whatever environment they use, and the vibe would be much different. A mutation to fit the environment, if you will. But I think the basic principles of AMF could be transferred and applied to any locale if there are people willing to do that kind of work.

                  And I don't think we ought to discourage that kind of radical flowering, where people celebrate in their home turf. Otherwise, a single AMF gets too big and centralized and blows itself out and becomes a big loud condom dump in the woods.
              • Re: Fire at MutantFest

                Wed, July 12, 2006 - 1:38 AM
                I'm very interested in doing the AMF near Eugene, but as I understand it there's a sort of consensus not to do it there because of this whole Weekend Warrior factor.

                I stand behind the assertion that there are less than 10 decent cities in the entire United States, though not all of them are on the West Coast.

                There are festivals of this approximate variety all over the country. But this particular festival, the Autonomous Mutant Festival, happens in the Northwest. It always has. If you would like to see an AMF in Alabama or something, go there and put one on. I won't be able to make it.

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